Stuck on the 'Deploying the Plugin' step.

[gaveitatry2]

This is my MO2 folder for Fallout TTW:
"E:\007 Other Games\Fallout 3 (TTW)"

This is my folder for the Fallout NV game:
"E:\007 Other Games\FalloutNewVegas"

This is my folder for Pantella:
"E:\007 Other Games\Pantella"

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I went to Pantella Launcher's Settings, selected "Fallout New Vegas", chose Mod Organizer 2 as my mod manager type, and then for the path I used the same path as shown in my MO2's path for Base Directory.

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I then clicked on the Deploy button.

The GitHub instructions say "Please click deploy on the plugin of your choice. If you're using Mod Organizer 2, you might have to click the MO2 Refresh button to refresh your modslist."

That makes me think that after I click the Deploy button and use the MO2 refresh button, I will see something Pantella related in the Mods List or the Plugins List or something. But I am seeing no changes whatsoever. I tried refreshing and even restarting MO2. I also used the File Explorer to search inside my MO2 folder for anything "Pantella" related. Nothing came up.

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I really hope I'm not going to be required to change my path to something like:
"E:\Modding\Fallout3TTW"
or something like that. I can only imagine what kind of nightmares that will cause me after spending so much time setting up TTW. Plus, I don't want that format. I always structure my folders like 001 Folder Name, 002 Folder Name, etc. That way I have control over the order. Also, I don't like folder names with no spaces in them. And finally, the Pantella Launcher doesn't use text input to select the folder. It knows where the folder is by my manually clicking on folders and clicking on "Use selected folder".

So what am I doing wrong? Or is the GitHub installation description misleading and nothing is supposed to appear?

I know I did all the steps until now correctly. I restarted my computer, I installed Pantella Launcher v0.0.7. I placed all Python files directly inside the Pantella folder.

[Pathos14489]

I will look into that today. I believe this is a bug with the launcher probably. Can I ask what operating system you're using? Windows 10 or 11?

[gaveitatry2]

I think that I know what the problem is. I will close this ticket now, explain what the problem is later when I fix it, and also give some advice on how the problem can be avoided in the future.

[Pathos14489]

Oh, gotcha!

[gaveitatry2]

Okay, I'm back. I didn't solve the problem. Thanks for your speedy responses by the way, and I hope I don't sound too aggravated (I'm not).

Here is an update.

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On the main Pantella GitHub page, in the Installation Guide, it does not explain how the python files should be placed inside the Pantella folder. I copied and pasted the instructions to Gemini AI, and it assumed that the contents of the 'python-3.10.11-embed' folder should be dragged into the Pantella folder, not the actual 'python-3.10.11-embed' folder itself. So that's what I did, and I can't get anything to show up in MO2 after clicking Deploy and MO2's Refresh.

On the Pantella Launcher GitHub Releases section, it does have an easy to miss instruction:

"Then extract the selected zip into the launcher directory where the Pantella_Launcher.exe is. You should end up with a directory of the same name as the zip you're installing in the launcher directory."

I mostly missed or overlooked that instruction, plus the wording is confusing. It just uses generic words like "directory", "same name", and "zip" instead of clearing writing something like: "Keep the extracted python folder the same name and drag the python folder into the Pantella folder".

But just now, I kept the Python folder named 'python-3.10.11-embed' (which is the version I should be using for Fallout NV), and I still can't get Pantella to show up anywhere inside MO2.

I noticed that every time I restart the Pantella Launcher, it says that it is checking for updates, which is weird and annoying. It never finishes checking for updates. Ever. And every time I restart the Pantella Launcher, my 'Fallout New Vegas - PantellaNV' is no longer being deployed. I have to click Deploy again.

Also, I have no idea why the main Pantella GitHub every referenced 'https://github.com/Pathos14489/PantellaNV' when I'm not downloading anything from there and that page only outlines the required mods for PantellaNV, which I already had installed. It would have made more sense to not reference that page and just list the four mods required for PantellaNV on the main Pantella GitHub Installation Guide page.

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I am on Windows 11.

[Pathos14489]

Ahh. Windows 11. I'm currently working on some issues that seem to be specifically affecting Windows 11 during setup and installation, but I will definitely adjust the installation instructions to be more specific on the python embed folder and how to unpack it. Thanks for the tip! And sorry for the trouble.

[gaveitatry2]

I saw this just now:

Tale of Two Wastelands 3.4 - Includes character cards and a separate plugin for TTW support. If you are using TTW, make sure to enable the TTW version of the plugin, not the FNV version and set ttw_enabled to true in the backend when it asks you to during first time setup, or by changing the setting in the falloutnv_config.json file in the configs directory.

Is there a way to select the TTW version of the plugin now to make it deploy into MO2? I didn't see any steps to do that on the main Pantella GitHub Installation Guide, so I just assumed that was a step that I do later on.

[Pathos14489]

That would be handled from MO2, you'd disable the PantellaNV.esm plugin and enable PantellaTTW.esm instead. And it'll also ask later during setup which you're using.

[gaveitatry2]

Okay.

If you look into this later on, just remember that other than not deploying to MO2 correctly....

• On Pantella Launcher restart, Pantella will no longer be Deployed even if it was Deployed previously.

• The Pantella Launcher is always checking for updates but never finishes checking for them.

And I know you will update the instructions later, but did i guess right that the 'python-3.10.11-embed' folder needs to keep that same name (not be renamed) and the entire folder needs to be dragged into the Pantella folder?

[Pathos14489]

Yes, that is correct. The issue with deployment on Windows 11 is an issue that I've already heard about and I'm just getting some time to fix today. I'll post a comment when I've fixed that, I believe there's a step missing for Windows 11's prerequisites for installing nmake that's causing the wheel compilation for llama-cpp-python to fail. At this stage you have done everything correct I believe from the information given, and you'll just have to wait for me to figure out how to fix this for you and the other guy having this issue.

[gaveitatry2]

I found a problem, and I think that this problem might be what is preventing the plugin from being deployed.

As stated before, my MO2 installation is at:
"E:\007 Other Games\Fallout 3 (TTW)"

It might not be apparent, but there are TWO SPACES between '007' and 'Other Games'.

But for some reason, I have some files inside a mods folder located here:
"E:\007 Other Games\Fallout 3 (TTW)\mods"

And there is only ONE SPACE between '007' and 'Other Games'.

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The Pantella Launcher is buggy in that it knows what my selected folder was, but it somehow ends up replacing all instances of two spaces with one space.

I am going to try and copy these files over to my MO2 mods folder and see if that will help me get started until the Launcher is patched.

UNLESS YOU DON'T WANT ME TO. (awaiting further instructions)

[Pathos14489]

Oh weird. I didn't anticipate two spaces in a path when I patch in space support. I thought it would handle it fine, but evidently I was incorrect. I'll have to change how it handles that. And since that's the issue, you will likely run into the other issue I'm trying to fix. You're free to try if you want, but until I fix it I don't think it'll work on win11.

[gaveitatry2]

It was just a bunch of loose files inside of the mods folder, which is not how it should be.

So I placed them into a folder called 'Pantella' and dragged the folder into my MO2 mods folder.

I am going to take a break from this and then try to finish the Installation Guide later. Maybe I will get lucky and get it working.

[gaveitatry2]

When the Installation Guide says to:

"Run Pantella. Now just click start for Pantella and let it perform first time set up."

I think that it should be clarified to open up the Pantella Launcher, and click the Start button above the Deploy button. I was really scratching my head on where to go to run Pantella.

Also, when I started Pantella, it threw a lot of "filename is too long" errors. In the Installation Guide, after installing Git and restarting the computer, there should be an instruction to "Open your Command Prompt or PowerShell as Administrator." and run the following command:
git config --global core.longpaths true

Gemini Ai told me to do that, and when I did, the errors went away.

I updated my pip as the Pantella command prompt window told me, and I also ran the python3_10_windows_llama_cpp_python_cublas.bat before running Pantella. Unfortunately, there was a failure to install Pantella.

It seems to be llama cpp python related. I asked Gemini AI to help and we tried dozens of things, but nothing worked. It believes the problem to be:

The core issue here is that this specific branch of Pantella (Pathos14489_Pantella_dev) was written against an older, highly specific build of llama-cpp-python where internal C-enums weren't refactored yet. Because new wheels restructured those bindings, every time we clear one AttributeError, the next type definition breaks.

I know that the AI isn't always right. Sometimes it glitches and thinks and does the wrong thing. And you have to "reset" them and reword things differently and refresh its memory to get it working right. Just sharing my experiences.