[Crypto] Add Grin

[trosel]

• I confirm there are no other open issues about this asset
• I understand that to actually add the asset to Haveno, a PR from the developers/community of the proposed asset might be necessary
• I understand that adding the asset is at discretion of the Haveno Core Team and applying doesn't necessarily imply acceptance

What's the ticker symbol of the project?

GRIN

Why should it be added to Haveno? How would it benefit the project and the community?

Grin has a lot in common with Monero. It is one of the few non-scam coins out there. It has a good community all around the world. Excellent proof of work mining economy. Just needs more liquidity (on and off ramps) and Haveno could benefit from that influx.

Is it an Ethereum token (ERC-20)?

• Yes
• No

Was the coin pre-mined before public launch?

• Yes
• No

Is there a dev fee for the project maintainers?

• Yes
• No

Please provide resources about the project (Website, Twitter, etc)

Social media is decentralized across a number of accounts. The main website is https://grin.mw/

Additional notes

The Grin No List explains the ethos very well:

no on-chain addresses
no visible amounts
no transaction history
no bloat
no reward halvings
no supply cap
no trusted setup
no checkpoints
no ring signatures
no moon math
no symmetric PoW
no ASIC resistance
no ICO
no premine
no instamine
no airdrops
no mining tax
no masternodes
no middlemen
no partnerships
no room for spam
no ordinals
no NFTs
no staking
no coin burning
no bs

https://github.com/mimblewimble/docs/wiki/No-this%2C-no-that

And here is an excellent list of blog posts that go into more depth on Grin https://phyro.github.io/what-is-grin/

[boldsuck]

Grin was/is just a 'proof of concept' for the Mimblewimble white paper.
Grin was delisted from Bisq years ago due to inactivity. Nobody has reactivated it for 30 BSQ. This shows that nobody is interested in it. The coin is not used seriously anywhere. I don't see any point in activating the coin in Haveno.
MWEB & Grin ++, developer has moved to the Litecoin Foundation.

Grin & Beam is dead. You want Mimblewimble? Look up Tari - A Decentralized Assets Protocol Built on Monero

[trosel]

Grin was delisted from Bisq years ago due to inactivity.

Grin users have just used centralized exchanges like TradeOgre for convenience. Monero users also still favor centralized exchanges, so I don't see why that would be a measure of anything.

The coin is not used seriously anywhere. I don't see any point in activating the coin in Haveno.

You can count on one hand the amount of coins that are not scams. Grin is one of them. To me, that in itself is vastly more important than usage. Why? Because you can count on just a few fingers the amount of coins that are "used seriously" anywhere.

Grin is still one of the best deals in mining. When you combine that with the strong principles, it's a great project.

MWEB & Grin ++, developer has moved to the Litecoin Foundation.

Yes, a creator of a wallet ( @DavidBurkett ) has started working for Litecoin. What does that mean?

Grin & Beam is dead

Why would Beam be discussed in concert with Grin? At this point, they're nothing alike. The initial designs aren't even very similar.

You want Mimblewimble? Look up Tari - A Decentralized Assets Protocol Built on Monero

Mimblewimble on it's own is not special. You can have a scam token that uses mimblewimble. I refer you back to the "Grin No List" above.

[cekickafa]

Grin & Beam is dead. You want Mimblewimble? Look up Tari - A Decentralized Assets Protocol Built on Monero

Grin is the original MimbleWimble implementation. Rest is copycat or forks based on grin developers work with premined or dev tax, instamine projects.

If haveno is really a DEX, Grin will fit in.

[Anynomouss]

The question should in my opinion not be if Havano should add Grin, but if there is a technical ellegant way of integrating Grin.
For example, Bisq had to use a colletoral system with BTC which is less than ideal. A second question should be what the Grin community and developers can do to support integration in Havano, e.g. multisig or atomic swap bounty. Or perhaps a bount of atomic swap implementation in concert with integration in Havano.

[transatoshi-mw]

I would like to know what the technical challenges of this integration would be. I would definitely provide a little bit of liquidity for Grin, I was not around when it was in Bisq, but I love using it to buy BTC.

It's pretty much the only non-BTC/XMR project I know of that has no flaw where you can say it's a scam in any way. That's a big reason I'm involved with the project.