Cataloging print monographs which are aggregates #180
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With apologies for the fact that at this point, my questions about RDA aggregates in Sinopia and the approach thus far are fairly general and somewhat vague... ...if possible I'd like feedback on the following (or any other feedback!) from the resource-template testing group and any MARC2RDA members with interest.
Resource template testers, MARC2RDA members: @AdamSchiff @gerontakos @junghaelee @JianPLee @cspayne @CECSpecialistI @lake44me @SitaKB @GordonDunsire @tmqdeborah @corialanus @szapoun See also crystalyragui/MARC2RDA#354 |
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Theo @gerontakos what I should have said this morning (still half asleep I think) was that at this point we have decided to have a Library specific controlled vocabulary in Alma. We have used the 931 MARC tag with the values: This is still a 'work in progress' as we haven't finished working through our policy statements for aggregates yet. |
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Replies to further questions from @briesenberg07<https://github.com/briesenberg07>
💬 **I don’t see an Option D.**
It's true -- apologies for this. I don't think anyone has created any sample data yet to demonstrate [OPTION D](https://github.com/uwlib-cams/sinopia_maps/blob/751156b041a4cafff757edc9e2ae6f0105b9c06a/md/describing_printMonograph_aggregates.md#option-d)
[[DF]]:
I note that in your diagram for [Option D](https://github.com/uwlib-cams/sinopia_maps/blob/751156b041a4cafff757edc9e2ae6f0105b9c06a/md/describing_printMonograph_aggregates.md#option-d), you link the aggregated expressions to both the aggregating expression (aggregated by) and the aggregate manifestation (manifestation of expression). You can certainly do this, but the whole point is that if you provide the expression relationships you do not need to also provide the expression to manifestation relationships. I suggest that you add another aggregate manifestation and item to your diagram indicate the purpose of the aggregates/aggregated by relationship, e.g.:
💬 **For collection aggregates with a limited number of aggregated expressions, (...) [if] subjects relating to the collection itself are needed, (...) Option C is best.**
Could [OPTION E](https://github.com/uwlib-cams/sinopia_maps/blob/751156b041a4cafff757edc9e2ae6f0105b9c06a/md/describing_printMonograph_aggregates.md#option-e) work in this case as well? This would provide an aggregating work for subjects relating to the collection itself.
[[DF]]:
No, because Option E does not provide aggregated expressions, and it is the presence of parallel expressions that are important in a parallel aggregate.
Remember that every expression/work that is embodied with other expressions/works in an aggregate manifestation can be embodied separately by itself in a single expression manifestation or with different expressions/works in a different aggregate manifestation. So, when you describe an aggregated expression/work, you should treat it just as you would a single expression/work (i.e., whenever possible describe both the expression and the work). In the diagram below, one of the expressions that are embodied by an aggregate manifestation is also embodied by itself in a non-aggregate (i.e., ‘single-expression’) manifestation.
❓ **RELATED: OPTION E seems attractive to me as a way to provide information about aggregated works such as related agents and subjects without needing to describe aggregated expressions. But I'm curious whether we will find that we need to say more about aggregated expressions than representative expression elements will allow.**
[[DF]]:
If you are describing an aggregated work, then I strongly suggest that you also describe its aggregated expression, even though you will be replicating data already provided in representative expression elements for the aggregating work because, e.g.:
- the aggregated expression/work might appear separately in another manifestation, as indicated in the diagrams, above
- there is no way to know which of the values of the representative expression elements that are provided for an aggregating work apply to which of the expressions of the aggregated works.
Although it is permitted to apply [Option E](https://github.com/uwlib-cams/sinopia_maps/blob/751156b041a4cafff757edc9e2ae6f0105b9c06a/md/describing_printMonograph_aggregates.md#option-e) (aggregate manifestation + aggregating work + aggregated work), I would suggest not doing so.
💬 **For collection aggregates with too many aggregated expressions for it to be feasible to describe them all separately, Option B (aggregating work only) is often enough.**
I need to create more description sets using this option to understand it better. So far, a primary drawback here seems to be the fact that contributors to aggregated works can only be given using the very general property 'contributor agent to aggregate'.
[[DF]:
You can use the (slightly) more specific subproperties of ‘contributor agent to aggregate’ (e.g., contributor agent of still image, etc.) The RSC aggregates working group advocated for specific relationships corresponding to the existing agent to WE relationships, but it was felt that if it was necessary to provide those specific WE relationships, then you should do so via descriptions of the appropriate WE entities.
This means that a search on an agent (e.g., a person) could find links to works --> expressions --> manifestations or directly to aggregate manifestations, e.g.:
Lewis, C.S.
Author person of (a work)
“Out of the silent planet”
“Perelandra”
“That hideous strength”
Contributor person of text of (an aggregate manifestation)
“Christian reflections”
“They asked for a paper”
In this situation, the user does not know that Lewis is the author of the content of the aggregate manifestation, only that he contributed text (could be only an introduction, or an essay, or he might be an editor of content); which means that they have to go to a description of the manifestation to find out more.
💬 **In all cases, if supplementary content is present, it should be recorded in appropriate manifestation elements. (...) Single expressions, parallel expressions, and collections can all be augmented by supplementary content; so, your templates should all include Manifestation elements for that content.**
I need to get a grip on which elements these are. Recording descriptions of supplementary content is important, doing so without minting additional work/expression entities will likely be desired in many cases! Can you point me in the right direction here?
[[DF]]:
The relevant elements are listed below
- [Manifestation: accessibility content](https://access.rdatoolkit.org/Content/Index?externalId=en-US_ala-8bf95674-3203-3ba8-a55d-50a44343cb2d)
- [Manifestation: colour content](https://access.rdatoolkit.org/Content/Index?externalId=en-US_ala-26e5e1f2-b7fb-383b-954a-b2560eb6eb40)
- [Manifestation: illustrative content](https://access.rdatoolkit.org/Content/Index?externalId=en-US_ala-126a56dc-d07f-34bf-9e42-0bfa48a3e574)
- [Manifestation: sound content](https://access.rdatoolkit.org/Content/Index?externalId=en-US_ala-6c008de5-4b49-34ac-bf74-e5f70015e748)
- [Manifestation: supplementary content](https://access.rdatoolkit.org/Content/Index?externalId=en-US_ala-9d596c05-acc2-39b5-b52a-3274c90ab41d)
With the addition of [Manifestation: note on manifestation](https://access.rdatoolkit.org/Content/ContentById/8b78ad49-96c5-404d-be16-cc04f45e04dd) to record a contents note.
💬 **Yes, I recommend that you provide an appropriate value of extension plan for every work described.**
To clarify, in cases where we describe an aggregating work and aggregated work(s), should an extension plan value be given for all of these?
[[DF]]:
Yes, an extension plan value should be given for all of them (the aggregating work and any described aggregated works)
🔬 **ASIDE/point of order... is the term 'aggregated works' acceptable? I believe that expressions are aggregated, not the works which they express... But it's so much easier to say 'aggregated works' than 'works which are expressed in aggregated expressions' or similar...**
[[DF]]:
Well, you won’t find that term (aggregated work) in the TK, but you will find “works that are aggregated” and I believe that “aggregated work” is an acceptable shorthand for that phrase. Some people struggle with distinguishing between “aggregating work" and "aggregated work” however, so in more official settings it might be better to use “works that are aggregated” or ”expressions that are aggregated”. It is also useful to double-check any written use of the two terms “aggregating work" and "aggregated work” to be sure they have not been mixed up (which happens quite often to me)
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Deborah Fritz
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Another aggregates question: The question of making 'has subject' statements on an aggregating work came up recently. It makes sense to me that subjects for an aggregating work may be assigned in (what I see as) a somewhat intuitive manner. My line of thinking runs something like:
Essentially my understanding is that if it's a subject of the aggregate as a whole, the 'has subject' statement can be made on the aggregating work. But, is this a correct understanding? |
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The overall aggregating work may be about dolphins as a group, but the individual aggregated works could be about specific species of dolphins. This would be quite common for a collection of scientific papers.
Adam
Adam L. Schiff
Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
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Another aggregates question:
The question of making 'has subject' statements on an aggregating work came up recently. It makes sense to me that subjects for an aggregating work may be assigned in (what I see as) a somewhat intuitive manner. My line of thinking runs something like:
* It's a collection of essays about dolphins, the subject term 'dolphins' should be assigned
* In lieu of or in addition to assigning this term to an aggregated work or works which are described, the value may be assigned to the aggregating work
* This makes sense (to me) because a plan to aggregate works about dolphins has subject dolphins
Essentially my understanding is that if it's a subject of the aggregate as a whole, the 'has subject' statement can be made on the aggregating work. But, is this a correct understanding?
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2023-11-06:
I've created four sets of description sets for the same print monograph, using four approaches for describing aggregates. Three of the four approaches are taken from @pan-zhuo 's draft guidance on describing aggregates, the fourth was suggested during template-review meetings. I'm outlining the very minimal description sets below ('OPTION A' - 'OPTION E') along with links to the data (RDF/XML with property labels commented in) and the guidance document.
Outline of current approaches
OPTION A
OPTION B
OPTION C
OPTION D
OPTION E
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